No surprised he brought it up long before we did! It's definitely uncomfortable to look at the models and see that they have different meanings and then write the model equations out to see that they are the same. It seems like there should be a simple fix, but it gets really messy really fast!

I guess it’s a good reminder that although latent variable models are easy to fit, latent variables are still low-key magic: “this thing here which we cannot observe, but it’s whatever jointly causes these other things”