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Bret Devereaux
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Ancient & military historian specializing in the Roman economy and military. PhD from UNC History. More impressive credential is that I have beaten both Dark Souls and Elden Ring. Blogs at acoup.blog
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One of the responses this thread (on the Bad Place) got, a few times, ran roughly "if magic is common, magicians become engineers" or variations of that theme - the assumption that magic would be rapidly systematized by fictional pre-modern societies. And I don't think this is right. 1/

A tweet of mine from Twitter discussing magic systems, it reads, "One of the substantial errors, in my mind, in fantasy writing, is the idea that 'magic' has to be forced to follow either 1) a parallel system of physics or 2) a logical rules-based system.

I'd argue instead that magic systems ought to be *thematically relevant* & *consistent.*"
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Vmaniraptor.bsky.social

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EGtheelaineg.bsky.social

This. Prior to any biology knowledge the brewer put the grain and water in the magic jar and the gods made beer. If anything I think that magic should follow storytelling rules rather than scientific ones; the Elvish rope holds fast then comes undone when needed because that's what useful rope does

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One option for magic, I say again "rare, powerful, dangerous and really poorly understood"

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Rsugarglider.bsky.social

Yes! When I did my PhD it was hard to communicate this - 'cause and effect' is not clear in the ancient world, as you can rarely control your parameters and you just don't *think* in that way. It doesn't necessarily follow that if you repeat your actions you get the same outcome.

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Ddeyasi.bsky.social

Terrific and insightful thread, as always, Dr. Devereaux.

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MFpurble.bsky.social

Even if this were a "realistic" view of what would happen… I'm probably not reading a fantasy novel about magic for its realism!

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Ppenbird42.bsky.social

answer: Tolkien's Ungoliant spider deity poisoned the Two Trees and destroyed their Light. 12ky later, Sam pointed out that Frodo now carried some of that original Light in his Phial of Galadriel. Then Sam used that Light against Shelob, the daughter of Ungoliant. so, yeah, thematically relevant

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ARaaronradney.bsky.social

thematically relevant and consistent are in fact IMO the two majorly important things. I have a story based magic system for my world of #Ha-Nahn and this is very similar to how I think about what can and can't be done with it. Mages use the lessons imparted by stories for spell craft. But...

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Wwelverin.bsky.social

The Scientific Method and its creation are important and a big deal for a reason. Bit dilly to think people always approached things like that.

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Bret Devereaux
@bretdevereaux.bsky.social
Ancient & military historian specializing in the Roman economy and military. PhD from UNC History. More impressive credential is that I have beaten both Dark Souls and Elden Ring. Blogs at acoup.blog
6k followers162 following1.4k posts