I mean people who aren't trying to follow this guideline, and who say that shit out loud about themself repeatedly. To the point where I'm sympathetic with the struggle, yes, but I can't deal with being around someone being abusive even to themself to that extent. bsky.app/profile/drdo...

that sounds so nice in theory but god is it easier said than done. i get what you mean, though — I definitely have known people whose reflexive self-abuse turned toxic and defeatist, and i usually wound up distancing myself from them after they rejected too many attempts to give constructive advice.