vance performed well according to conventional metrics but pretty much obliterated whatever good will he might have built up with the press with that one statement

Thank god they still care enough about anything at all for it to have made a difference

He was awful during the abortion section and I also thought he was awful on housing. Walz just seems bad in this format. It’s like he was debating a sanctioned / scored debate and not a televised preception contest

Vance lied prodigiously and effortlessly. What are conventional metrics on that?

He played dodgeball a lot. In some ways, he was like Trump - always wanting to pivot to immigration & acting as if Harris has been POTUS since 2020. He kept blaming her 'bad policies' but never articulated an honest hit on a specific policy just lied about 'open borders.'

The other (surprising?) takeaway is that Vance looks way more comfortable when casting himself as a conventional, Bush-era conservative than he does in the role of the weird Groyper freak he's been playing at for the past few years. Turns out the Yale guy's natural habitat isn't 8Chan, who knew.

I couldn't make myself watch until the end, so I'm relieved to hear this from youI couldn't make myself watch until the end, so I'm relieved to hear this from you

Nothing exceptional about someone who if he wasn't on the VP stage, would be in a courtroom on behalf of a multinational corporate monster saying with the same confidence & arrogance that the microplastics and lead found in your kid's 'organic' fruit snack are actually a vital source of nutrition.

Hot take: scoring points in a debate while still being historically unpopular is *not* a good thing

Why do the press care about that?