i'm going to be honest. i don't think there's a coherent stance you can take in which you're pro-piracy/pro-internet archive but also consider the use of publicly available material in generative ai models theft that should be punished by law

i admit i can be incoherent, sometimes my stances are based on vibes not logic

Bets?

This strikes me as conflating related but still distinct processes, like suggesting one cannot both support public libraries and oppose plagiarism.

Damn, maybe the real world is a little more complex than “thing A good, thing B bad”. if I start from what I actually want to see in the world, e.g. “artists being able to live a decent life”, I can arrive at conclusions that seem contradictory when one sees the means (archives, LLMs) as ends

There's a power difference. "I'm okay with poor ppl shoplifting, but I'm not okay with wage theft of the store's employees." Not really ideologically inconsistent if the ideology is empathizing with people in need. It's normal to empathize with the poor person more than an employer.

Personal use, historical preservation and exploitation for profit are all different things. your perspective is drowning in the "intellectual property" of it all- separate these based on the public utility and damage to the original creator and it's clear which sucks

As far as global impact and energy waste consumption, that alone makes it's own technology a bog on society. The technology itself, considering that waste, is built on lies that under-perform. Whereas downloading a book causes a book to be downloaded for less resources than it takes to make a book.

a hand is playing a game of chess with a white king on the board

Alt: checkmate

archival, the public commons, and commercial use are sufficiently distinct in my mind for there to be room for such a stance.

Seem simple to me, large corporations hold vast amounts of institutional power while individuals do not. 1000 people can pirate 100 movies and the impact is negligible. AI companies are more like a billion people pirating everything and destroying the planet to do so.

Whatever tightening of copyright law is going to result from AI. The creatives aren't the one benefiting from it.