i don't know enough about helmut at all, but unless he's extremely well versed in debate, seymour will "win", because he's an argumentative prick, and his, and damien grant's racist degenerate supporters will love it. debates don't do anything but prove who can argue better

and that's when they're done with COMPETENT moderators, of which this one doesn't have.

Good point Helmut is Ngāti Toa Rangatira chair, I know that David Seymour is going to use his usual tactics and Atlas talking points, you can never have a good faith debate with the guy.