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Via Vincent Proce on Twitter (@vproceart) some hope vs the Ai glut (repost to add alt text)

Text: Artists Against Generative Al.

Posting this on behalf of a member who would like to remain anonymous:

I'm an art director and supervisor for a large studio. The studio heads had the bright idea before I started to hire prompters. Several bros were brought onto the film project. I absolutely hated myself for not quitting on the spot but stuck with it because it's mercenary out there. Have a family to feed etc. I decided to use this time wisely. Treat them as I would any artist I had hired. First round of pictures of a sweeping Ariel forest landscape comes through and it's not bad. They submit a ton of work and one or two of the 40 are ok. Nearly on brief. So first round feedback goes through and I tell them about the perspective mistakes, colour changes I want, layers that any matte painting would be split into. Within a day I get 5 variants. Not changes to the ones I wanted but variations. Again. Benefit of the doubt I give them another round of
Text: the doubt I give them another round of feedback making it clear. Next day it's worse. I sit there and patiently paint over, even explaining the steps I would take as a painter. They don't do it, anomalies start appearing when I say I want to keep the exact image but with changes. They can't. They simply don't have the eye to see the basic mistakes so the Ai starts to over compensate. We get people starting to appear in the images. These are obviously holiday snaps.

"Remove the people"

"What would you like them changed to?" "... grass. I just don't want them there" They can't do it. The one that can actually use photoshop hasn't developed the eye to see his mistakes, ends up getting angry at me for not understanding he can't make specific changes. The girl whose background was a little photography has given me 40 progressively worse images with wilder mistakes every time. This is 4 days into the project.
Text: I'm both pissed about the waste, but elated seeing ai fall at the first hurdle. It's not even that the images are unusable, the people making them have no eye for what's wrong, no thicker skin for constructive criticism and feedback, no basic artistic training in perspective and functionality in what they're making.

Yes the hype is going to pump more money into this. They won't go anywhere for a while. But this has been such a glowing perfect moment of watching the fundamental part fail in the face of the most simple tasks. All were fired and the company no longer accepts Ai prompters as applicants. Your training as an artist will always be the most important part of this process and it is invaluable. I hope this post gives you a boost in a dark time.

(A pic of text reads 'this machine kills Al' above an arrow pointing to a pencil)
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GOdamidraws.bsky.social

This is so amazing and so true.

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Bbrianxsmith.bsky.social

I'm not an artist, but my experience with the use of new technology to replace expertise is that the integrity of the work involved is the first element to be discarded. The bean counters who decided that dumb people can do the job of smart people more cheaply will never abandon that mindset.

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nerorambling.bsky.social

If these AI bros want their product to be relevant in a few years, they need to work WITH artists, but they have shown over and over again they want to work in spite of them. They wanted to replace us and are now getting a taste of what it's like to be us and they can't handle it.

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deborah78.bsky.social

I had this problem as an editor in mass market publishing. My art people were terrible and stubborn about making corrections. They thought I was the bitch. They were being PAID to make corrections for quality. Corrections that were clearly marked.

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PCplaguerat.bsky.social

Someone calling themselves an artist for using AI is like someone going to McD, ordering at a kiosk, customizing their meal and calling themselves a chef. I have never seen a single piece of AI generated imagery that I would prefer over an actual artist's work. I can't wait until this fad dies.

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Aabbylark.bsky.social

It's nice to see AI being shown to not operate in specific examples. Ultimately, algorithmic image generation will probably become a very useful tool for an artist in a large portfolio of useful tools.

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Sspottyserval.furry.energy

So true

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PC1eyedpotato.bsky.social

It's funny because stable diffusion actually has the tools to do all of this-it's called inpainting and img2img generation--but it requires the user to have an artist's gaze and tastes and often requires nearly as much work in refinement as painting it in properly would have.

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CC5lafka.bsky.social

This is so reassuring rn, especially with how rampant AI is and how it seems to be taking over eveyrthing, this was an amazing read.

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ECenberlight.bsky.social

Much thanks to Vincent for holding them to the necessary standards and withstanding that massive amount of failed QA. Having someone like that demonstrating why it won't work is going to be essential to getting these doofy CEOs to drop the idea that machines can take the place of artists. A hero.

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Mel Uran, wine auntie of Exalted, genAI loather.
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