I think it is the meaning of information that needs unpicking. I would say it is a detectable pattern in the environment that we can then associate knowledge with. How would you describe information?

Varela states it is not possible to have a representation of the world as there is not a ‘thing’ in the real world. But I don’t use models in that way. A model is a representation of the world but there is no need for that to be an accurate representation of the world. It just needs to be useful.

I would say sci of learning is a subset of cogsci but maybe there is merit in asking for a comparison between EduCogsci and sci of learning?

It’s hard to get rid of the idea of mental representations of the world because it seems to me that I am using a mental representations every waking second. How else should I view my experience and interaction with the world?

Can you point me in the direction to better understand your understanding?

i see - then yes i am still working with 17C speculation which does make sense to me. we know we detect changes in EM field, these changes cause transmission of EM changes which interacts with an experience informed network and at some point EM changes are transmitted which cause action.

did you see this reply well that is the easiest way to describe it, but I'm really talking about fristons generative models which complicates the scenario because we act predictively based upon previous info by using and generating models & that's what we perceive unless we detect prediction error.

I assumed what you meant by 'coherent info processing' is that the reality contains information and that information is transmitted to the brain and the brain correctly interprets that information so the brain's interpretation is coherent with reality. which is a no from me.

well that is the easiest way to describe it, but I am really talking about fristons generative models which complicates the scenario because we act predictively based upon previous info by using and generating models and that is what we perceive unless with detect prediction error.

Apologies again, but i dont have a clear idea of what you mean when you assert that i am presupposing a coherent info processing model. because i think i am arguing the exact opposite (if my interpretation is correct).