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Peter Tennant
@pwgtennant.bsky.social
Epidemiologist with an interest in causal inference methods. Currently based at the University of Leeds. #Epidemiology, #EpiSky, #CausalInference, #DataScience, #HigherEd, #Academia #AcademicSky
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PTpwgtennant.bsky.social

No. This is not acceptable. The methods section is the single most important part of a scientific paper. If those details are relegated to supplementary materials, then it's not a scientific paper in a scientific journal.

Screenshot of an academic article where it says "materials and methods are available in the online-only supplement".
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It similarly bugs me when papers, particularly by biologists, exile ALL the math & statistics to the supplement. That's the ONLY part I want to read, usually. Some of them really, really hate equations.It similarly bugs me when papers, particularly by biologists, exile ALL the math & statistics to the supplement. That's the ONLY part I want to read, usually. Some of them really, really hate equations.

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TDtjibbed.bsky.social

Just be glad it's not "available upon reasonable request"

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Reputable journal?

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pentathlos.bsky.social

Are the journal article Version of Record (VoR) AND the online-only supplement both Open Access (OA)? If not, this is doubling down on hindering scientific communication/debate/reproducibility. (And I mean the Budapest Declaration definition of OA, not the ongoing reframing by multiple journals.)

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Cclakoh.bsky.social

How can this pass the review!? (If submitted like this). If methods section was removed from the manuscript itself at request of reviewers/editor, I would have withdrawn the Submission to this journal

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CJcajackson.org

The counterpoint is that many methods sections written to a word limit are functionally useless. I would strongly prefer a comprehensive supplemental methods section to a useless one. I live in the future, I have a reference manager, I can keep track of two PDFs.

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PTpwgtennant.bsky.social

A scientific article should provide an accurate account of what you did & what you found. It should be unglamorous & slightly dull for detail. If you separately want to 'tell a story', write a blog or press release. The conflation of science with storytelling is problematic.

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PTpwgtennant.bsky.social

Scientific articles should provide an accurate account of what you did & what you found. It should be unglamorous & slightly dull for detail. If you separately want to 'tell a story', write a blog or press release. The conflation of science with storytelling is problematic.

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DBdrbeth.bsky.social

I'd agree somewhat with it if it was doi linking to a detailed protocol in somewhere open like protocols.io (leaving the journal the 'story', but opening up the science) - but there still ought to be some general methodology in there.

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TMtimpmorris.bsky.social

Devil's advocate: most methods sections could be relegated to the supplementary material without loss because they only say *what* was done and not *why*, and the *what* is mostly just opaque fraff chat. Good morning!

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Peter Tennant
@pwgtennant.bsky.social
Epidemiologist with an interest in causal inference methods. Currently based at the University of Leeds. #Epidemiology, #EpiSky, #CausalInference, #DataScience, #HigherEd, #Academia #AcademicSky
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